Wednesday, May 2, 2012

Rumor - Sizing Changing to S,M,L?

An anonymous reader commented that she heard lulu is changing sizing away from the numerical system to a more generic S, M, L system. Fit is one of the top reasons I continue to buy lululemon. If they go to a broader S=2/4, M=6/8, L=8/10 system I think they greatly cheapen the brand. I'm pretty sure numerical sizing is a huge part of their appeal to most everyone. I hope this rumor is not true.

47 comments:

Jennifer K. said...

Oh, I hope that's just a rumor. The sizing is one of the reasons they get away with charging so much. With only three sizes in each piece, they can't possibly justify such high prices. I certainly wouldn't pay $80 for a pair of pants where I'm in-between sizes, and that's usually the case for me in SML sizing

Anonymous said...

I, for one, will not pay LLL prices for a less-than-precise fit.

Anonymous said...

Back to their roots....that's how they first began sizing.

Anonymous said...

I, personally, would stop buying as much lulu and would probably limit myself to just a random jacket here or there. However, let's be honest, Lulu has built a brand and there are a lot of people that will continue to buy it regardless. I do agree that it would cheapen the brand, but there are far too many people who buy lulu because it is lulu and not because of the sizing to seriously hurt their bottom line.

C-lyn said...

We would have to bind together and take a stand!

geoffiegirl said...

True, that's where they started! I still have a jacket with the size on it and still love it! I don't know now if I would continue to buy though.....the quality better not change! :P

Anonymous said...

It won't change anything. I used to work there and we always told people that a xxs was a 2, an xs was a 4, a small was a 6, a medium was an 8, a large was a 10 and an xl was 12. So it won't matter what they call it. It will fit the same way.

Anonymous said...

I hope it doesn't change... it just makes things confusing and I find it makes the brand look cheap.

Anonymous said...

geoffiegirl - the quality already has changed (bleeding issues, see-thru clothing).

Nicole said...

Off topic but can anyone help me... I'm in Australia and just tried to place an order on the website but an 'error' occurred at the end and it was canceled. However my paypal account has been charged anyway?!? I don't know what to do because when I try 'live chat' I also get an error and emailing them at gec gets returned immediately like their inbox is full! Has anyone else had this problem?

Amanda said...

yeah I wouldn't be buying as much either... I'm a 4/6... it's that perfect fit that really makes a big difference for a lot of things...

What would they do for bras... most of their bras are number sizes... BOOBS COME IN A LOT OF SIZES

Anonymous said...

Nicole - this happened to me a week or two ago - what happens is that Paypal will hold the funds and when they see that there was no order placed from the vendor, Paypal will credit the funds back to your account. If you can do call the GEC just to make sure though. So sorry you had website problems... they seem to be no end of them nowadays!

Anonymous said...

Of they change and I'm between sizes, that's it, I'm done.

Jax+Puzzle said...

Hope this isn't true, it's part of the reason I stopped purchasing Nike - was between XS and S and couldn't get a good fit.

I'm a 4/6 at LLL, so this definitely isn't going to work for me. In tops I usually take a 4, and in bottoms I am on the small side of 6. So I won't be able to do an XS or S... XS will be too little and S will be too large.

Anonymous said...

My run as a lulu buyer would be OVER if they switch the sizing. I feel as though they would be just
like "everyone else" in the activewear market. Seriously, I will be so disappointed.

By the way, I received the blush define today...what a disappointment. Looks kind of flimsy...did anyone else experience this? I was so looking forward to it, too!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
It won't change anything. I used to work there and we always told people that a xxs was a 2, an xs was a 4, a small was a 6, a medium was an 8, a large was a 10 and an xl was 12. So it won't matter what they call it. It will fit the same way.

May 2, 2012 5:20 PM

^^^Agreed! This is exactly what the Lululemon website has always said when you pull up a size chart. Unless they're only using "S/M/L" and not the "XXS to XL" they currently use, it shouldn't matter.

Anonymous said...

Why so much negative feedback? I feel like switching over to xxs/2, xs/4, s/6.. etc. would actually be a lot less confusing! I wear a 4 at lululemon, and XS in most other places... so its consistent and shouldn't be a problem.

Minda said...

I don't really care about the labeling of sizes. This crazy world has so many different scales for sizing - the only sizing I trust is the tape measure LOL. Otherwise I just get what fits me no matter the number or letter listed. If I like a brand well enough I will get to know their sizing. - Everything is pretty stretchy anyway. It is already blending the sizes in many ways. -From what I can see, lulu has already compromised quality by growing big and fast. From what I hear the lulu items from long ago that was not made in China was far superior.

Jax+Puzzle said...

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
It won't change anything. I used to work there and we always told people that a xxs was a 2, an xs was a 4, a small was a 6, a medium was an 8, a large was a 10 and an xl was 12. So it won't matter what they call it. It will fit the same way.

May 2, 2012 5:20 PM

^^^Agreed! This is exactly what the Lululemon website has always said when you pull up a size chart. Unless they're only using "S/M/L" and not the "XXS to XL" they currently use, it shouldn't matter.



I don't really understand. Wouldn't the point of altering the sizing be to reduce the number of sizes offered? Perhaps by combining them... for example, XS = 2/4, S= 6/8, etc. Otherwise what would be the purpose of the switch from the numerical sizing?

Anonymous said...

NOT a fan. I am a very worried lulu lover. Even the quality from last summer to now seems cheaper to me and more mainstreem. North face used to have a lot of extras on their jackets too. Pit zips, xtra pockets. Once they started selling in more mainstream stores a lot of that has dropped off. Darn.

Anonymous said...

^^^That's the thing. If they reduce it to S/M/L then there will really be 1/2 the number of sizes. But if all they're doing is switching from size 2 to XXS for example, there's no difference. Time will tell.

Anonymous said...

I don't see the problem. It's not like they are going to change the sizes of their cuts. They're just using a different numbering system that will map to the old sizing system as anon 5:20PM said.

It's probably a sign that they're looking to expand to more global locations as European and Australian sizing is different (a US 4 is an AU 8 - there's a size conversation chart in my local Lulu store). By using XS/S/M/L it makes it easier to understand for everyone.

Gosh this blog is getting pretty negative recently. I understand feedback on quality control issues but something like this? Really? Oh well at least if I stop reading this blog maybe my spending habits at lulu will lessen as I won't be seeing all the cool product pics ;-)

Anonymous said...

Yeah I agree... Too much negativity here. If you're mad at lulu, stop following "lulu addict" seems pretty straight forward. If you only have bad things to say then you're missing the point of lulu. If a style is not for you that's fine but personally I still love lulu regardless of what size their tag says. Still the best quality workout cloths I've found. If you've found better at North Face or Nordstrom than quit reading a lulu blog.

Liz Phelps said...

gross. way to end my relationship with lulu. amex says thanks.

Liz Phelps said...

just read all the comments--i prefer number sizes for a variety of reasons. i would continue to buy if the span was xxs-xl, but if the sizes are combined, it's over. however, i prefer saying that i'm a 6/8/10 versus small/medium/large...this is minor, but it sounds like there's less judgment in numbers.

and as another reader pointed out--bras--that sounds ridiculous in word sizing!

and yes...quality has already changed. sigh.

Anonymous said...

i have only been purchasing lulu for about a year, had some pretty huge weight loss and treating myself to new workout clothes keeps me inspired.

personally, i don't find the honest comments and opinions 'negative' but very interesting and helpful when purchasing.

the clothes are very expensive and, with that, quality is expected.

i have been very pleased with some items and not so much with others. I'm not sure where i weigh in with the sizing issue, my current problem with the sizing right now is the inconsistency!! it is very helpful to have number measurements accompanied by individuals stats to help make decisions. i do not live anywhere near lulu and depend on the website.

i suppose this is way off topic but i just wanted to weigh in and say thanks for the discussions! talking about quality issues helps me and that is why i read here, for the honesty. the reviews on the website itself all seem to be "love love love" and i have found some items to be very mediocre quality.

imho, glad these issues are discussed, as a consumer of such pricy gear, it helps me!

Anonymous said...

if this change is enough to send some people packing, then good. more lulu for me in my size!

Anonymous said...

@Minda - "From what I hear the lulu items from long ago that was not made in China was far superior."

IMHO the stuff in stores now are much worse quality-wise than Chinese Made.

Side Note: they ought to fire the designer behind travel2track jacket. It is hideous and hogs too much WMTM rack space in lulu stores for too long. I bet LLL is not happy with their decision in choosing this design to be THE Spring running jacket and thus the go-ahead to be made in so many colours.

LuluAddict said...

I see that the size chart does have a XS=2, S=4, etc mapping but I don't get changing it to XS,S,M,L,XL to accommodate foreign markets. No matter what brand of clothes you buy you still have to check the measurement chart to see how the measurements map into the sizes. When I buy cycling shoes I have to look for 42 or whatever instead of size 7. I like the numbers as it is now. It seems more precise that way.

Interesting that lulu used to sell stuff in S,M,L, etc. and then changed to the number system. I started buying in 2007-08 - when they were already using numbers. I think using numeric sizes definitely differentiates them from nearly all their competition and they'd be foolish to drop it.

Jen said...

Oh no that's horrible!

I love lulu's fit, especially around the bust line. I hope they don't change the sizing and go mainstream (1 size fits all). Otherwise, I would convert to chinese products and pay chinese prices for them.

Anonymous said...

If they go to S/M/L instead of XXS-XL they will have fewer SKUs to produce, thus less chance of mark-downs of specific sizes, thus improving their profit margins.

Anonymous said...

Numerical sizing is VERY IMPORTANT. In tops, I need a 12 - so if they go to S M L - then L will 10% of the time be OK, if they go up to XL - then I have a chance.
Actually, I have only been buying their things for 3 years & in that time, I have seen a MAJOR reduction in quality in all areas, plus the pricing has increased. I can no longer buy anything bright without dealing with what if it runs on other clothing. Other sports line, never seem to have this problem.
LULU you really need to get your act together

becky said...

In regards to the "negativity" comments, I agree with anon7:57. I don't live near a store and don't want to unnecessarily deal with the hassle of online ordering if something isn't going to work for me, so I come here for HONEST thoughts, opinions and discussion. Besides which, this is a company that splats "friends are more important than money" all over their manifesto, but that's not really how they feel when they have such (sometimes ridiculously) high prices for their product with what seems to be dwindling quality. They're about the top dollar, so if I'm going to spend my hard earned top dollar on their product, I want an HONEST opinion on how things fit and function, not niceties. If you think this blog is getting negative and just want things to be all lollipops and roses, then just stick to the Lululemon site, they love to preach the love of their product. Me, I'm looking for something more honest than that, so thank you to all the ladies that keep it real on here :)

Anonymous said...

I really hope this is a rumor. Even if they keep the same size range and just change the numbers to a corresponding letter size, instead of dropping some sizes, it's still a bad move for the company. Numbered sizes make it seem like a more customized fit than letter sizes, even if the sizes offered are actually the same.

If they use it as an excuse to reduce their size range, well, that just sucks. The canadian site sells out of the large sizes almost immediately, so they clearly stock less of these to have fewer bigger people wearing their product. If they actually stop carrying larger sizes, I will be extremely disappointed since their whole *manifesto* is about health and happiness, not being thin. Some people are healthy at a size 10.

Stefanie said...

Of all the things to be upset about lately, this is what we've decided to have a fit about? The arbitrary labeling of a size? Well, it's arbitrary to me seeing as I wear anything from a 4 to an 8 in Lulu, so if they switch to the lettering, things really aren't going to change for me...so I'll be wearing an XS to an M? BFD. I don't feel like I'm wearing a "cheaper" piece of clothing just because it has an M on it instead of a 6. Is this an elitist thing now? Because it sure sounds like it. Most people complaining on here seem more upset about the IDEA of wearing an M than the reality of wearing what is probably already an M. I'm more concerned about the fabric quality and clothing functionality...they can label the sizing however they want. And people who say they won't buy Lulu if it switches to lettered sizing...I highly doubt it. People who are crazy about Lulu is the reason blogs like this exist...you don't see blogs dedicated to the C9 collection at Target. I really don't think changing the sizing label is going to affect sales in the slightest. Why don't you go out and find a real issue to complain about. Or better yet, why not wait until the changes are actually confirmed before you get your panties all up in a bunch over something that's a rumor...and may not even happen.

Anonymous said...

I don't know, I think from a purely mental perspective if you are on the larger end of the scale, as I am, a size XL seems demoralizing. lol

Anonymous said...

Thank you Stephanie, geez people.

Anonymous said...

Bravo, Becky at 5:30am, bravo!!! And dang Stefanie at 6:10am, no need to get all hostile. For cryin' out loud.

Anonymous said...

Re size, I don't care what they call it, but they'd best not bleed, fall apart, or pill for the price I'm paying.

Anonymous said...

wow ladies. there are bigger issues in this world. you got it pretty good if this is what bothers you.

Anonymous said...

thank you Becky 5:30 - well said! my thoughts exactly

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I'll wear an XXXL if it means that the fabric won't fray, fade, bleed or pill!

Stefanie said...

I apologize if my comments came across as hostile, but lately I feel like this blog has become a vehicle for people to air their grievances. Lulu is going to do what they do, and if you don't like it, complain to them about it. We are adult women, enough with the whining. I can appreciate the honesty other commenters contribute with regards to fit and functionality of Lulu products, but this petty bickering over rumors is such a buzz kill and is ruining the fun of this blog.

Anonymous said...

FYI - no truth to this rumor. ;)
IF LULU ever decided to they would just change it to 2=xxs 4=xs 6=s 8=m 10=L 12=xl
I could see them possibly doing this for the European market - but most likely it will never change. Head office is obsessed with things that sets lulu apart so I doubt it will change.

Anonymous said...

First off Stephanie, people were upset because the wording of the post mades it sound like they're dropping down to 3 sizes- not just changing the size wording. And if you get THAT offended by people's comments then don't read them!!

Anonymous said...

Anon 7:31, It's quite immature to have the idea that you can say whatever you feel like and everyone else can just deal with it. I totally agree with Stephanie that it is major buzz kill to have to weed through a lot of ranting. Why the need to rant and subject everyone in the vicinity to it, I can't get my head around that mentality and yet it seems to be of the greater mindset these days. What happened to just being polite?! I think this is what this comes down to...it's not the sharing of issues and problems that is annoying, it's the way in which it is being done. Does that make sense? I feel like the few people who have pointed out the complaining on here have gotten jumped all over by the majority and the point is being missed completely....some of the commenters just sound like the type of people who like the drama in every little aspect of their life. I work with a couple of women like that, its just draining. Don't be that person...take it as a tip for being successful in life :-) Or flame me, which I know is coming...such is life

Anonymous said...

Whoa... Anon 820, sound like you need to take you own advice. Rude!