Tuesday, September 25, 2012

Change in the Speed Short Liner?


I'm reading commentary that the new Eighth Check Tender Violet Speed Shorts have a rough and scratchy feeling liner compared to previous speed shorts. Note there is no Coolmax in the content. That is one of the features touted when you look at Speed Shorts on the website. As a contrast, the Lining1 content for Flare speed shorts is 56% polyester, 33% coolmax polyester, and 11% lycra spandex.

key features

  • made with Swift fabric for four-way stretch and moisture wicking capabilities
  • cut to perform: vents at back for breathability and split legs for freedom of movement
  • smooth Luxtreme waistband wicks away sweat and won't cut in
  • COOLMAX® liner is soft and breathable
  • continuous drawcord so you can always cinch when you need to
  • secure zipper pocket on back waistband for keys, gel packs and cards
  • chafe resistant flat seams to help prevent sweaty, sensitive skin from getting irritated
I hope the lining hasn't been messed with the same way the men's Run Response Shorts have been. The updated version of the Run: Response shorts have been heavily criticized for changing the lining for the worse. It now rides up and gets holes in it very easily.

Lining of the rough Violet speeds in on top. Normal, soft lining of Flare speeds is at the bottom of the photo.

Update - a reader comments that her Speed shorts have various liner fabric content, some with cool-max and some without. Some are smoother than others. So, this may not be a change.

Lululemon needs to stop tweaking well-proven designs that work - Triangle gussets that are so far back they cover your bumhole instead of your lady bits, the fit and fabric of the Power Y, Inspire waistband tight, the fit of the Flow Y, the waistband and liner of the Run: Response Shorts. They are messing with more and more core items that don't need fixing. (Thanks to Ms. A and Ms. S for the photos.)

The shorts in the top row (the right three are SE Sea Wheeze shorts) do not have Cool Max in the lining. The bottom two rows do. (Thanks to Ms. Q. for the photo of her awesome shorts collection.) I'll have to remember to check the linings of the latest shorts when I go to the store to see if this becomes a trend.

29 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hmm, I tried on the Groovy run shorts today and thought the inner liner felt weird and stiff, not like the soft liner I am used to on the Turbos.

Anonymous said...

I also have to ask why they are tweaking items that so many love and rely on. The fact that these items fly off the shelves and website lead me to believe that the only reason for doing so is cost savings on Lulu's end--because the consumer isn't seeing those savings in price cuts. You would think in the wake of the bleeding and poor craftsmanship issues, that they'd be doing everything in their power to enhance their image and instill trust in their customers. This isn't the way to do so.

Laura said...

Haha I love that you said bumhole.

Anonymous said...

Seems as though Lulu is on a downward spiral. WHY, WHY mess with designs that are tried and true!?!? Makes no sense whatsoever. Too many random, crazy designs and changing the classics really turns me off. I buy weekly and lately I'm buying less and less.

HOWEVER, I did not like Bordeaux at first sight. I think there is way too much of it but I do love the BD bags, scuba, WU, and crb. I abstained from the scuba since I bought Pigment last week but really love it in BD!!

Admittedly, I'm lusting over the BD Fast & Free!! I own 3 pair F&F, they are my fave Luxtreme crop/pant. Also want the Tonka Stripe F&F.......... Feeling weaker by the minute...........

Anonymous said...

They seem pretty intent on wrecking the brand they've worked so hard to build, just saying

Anonymous said...

DISGUSTING ! And the tweaking of classics is another reason I have not bought anything in quite a long while now. Do I really want to encourage a company that takes their clients for granted ? Looking for other alternatives and I happy with what Lulu collection I have.

Anonymous said...

Oh no!!!! I really hope the liners in speed and turbo shorts don't get messed with, that's why I love those shorts!!! If this color is uploaded I'll buy it just to check out this liner business, but I really hope LLL isn't getting so cheap that they wont be making the liners with the coolmax.... This is almost the last straw. I already stopped buying flow y bras because they are aweful now, and I refuse to buy any more WU/WUC unless they have good oval gussets.

Anonymous said...

Lulu, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. There must be a motive in terms of manufacturing cost.

BTW, I ordered the blue indigo denim wunder under crop on sale this week, and surprisingly it is made in Canada. I did a double take thinking that I had misread. Anyway, the gusset is too far back as you've all mentioned, but the fabric looks thick and nice. I am hoping that it holds up after a wash, which it desperately needs due to an odd smell.

Anonymous said...

Wow... that sucks! I was hangin out for those purple speeds too... but no thanks Lulu if the liner is scratchy :(

Anonymous said...

Your last paragraph is so true. Why change something that's proven to work and people are happy with it? Especially the gusset design, seriously what was the reasoning behind that!!

Anonymous said...

This isn't a new liner. I have 4 pairs of Speed Shorts from this year, only one of the hang tags touts the Coolmax liner, and that was a Special Edition pair. It is a bit smoother than the others. **2 others (purchased in the Spring) state "inherently wicking, ultra light liner", the ***last and most recent states "moisture-wicking, lightweight liner". I can see from the image of the Eigth Gingham pair that they are the same texture as those that I have. It is probably "roughest" on my WEWC/WHT pair and "smoothest" on my most recent pair tonka/split pea, but overall I have no problem with the liner in any of the shorts.

Colours/patterns:
**WESM/BLK (wee are from space black march multi/black)
**WEWC/WHT (wee are from space white coal/white)
***TSGR/SPEA/BLK (tonka stripe grey/split pea)

Anonymous said...

If no one mentioned it, reviews are back up for the "Run: Speed Short *Bonded" Seam.

Anonymous said...

Did these shorts come out already? I wanted to get them, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were sold out already. With that being said, if the liner is at all scratchy they would be returned for sure. Who on earth wants a scratchy liner in such an expensive short?
Agreed...Lulu STOP tweaking tried and true!

LuluAddict said...

@ anon 7:36 pm - Interesting about the different liners. I got the "coolmax" feature from the current speeds shorts on the website, not one of the hang tags.

Anonymous said...

I bought both the dark indigo denim WU crops and pants. The crops were bought online with the milky way print lining. I bought the pants in store and decided to go with the pair that is also lined with dark indigo denim. The crops are made in Canada but the pants are made in China. When I compare them side by side, I don't really see any difference in terms of fabric or craftsmanship. I don't think Lulu's quality problem comes from overseas factories. Rather, it's Lulu's management that tries to maximize profit and has been cutting corners themselves.

Anonymous said...

I also noticed that the denim luon contains 43% cotton. Was it always like this? I'm a little worried to wash denim luon with my regular luon stuff now.

Anonymous said...

Oooo... grabby hands!!! What an awesome speed short collection! I love seeing pics of other Lulu addicts amazing wardrobes :)

Anonymous said...

Wow! So envious of Mrs. Q's collection!!

Anonymous said...

LLL seems intent on ruining all the proven basic styles by cheapening them with inferior fabric and workmanship while destroying the company in the process. CEO Christine Day has expressed her disdain for customers many times along with her intent to manipulate customers with no regrets. False advertising on their website and fabric tags can now be added to the long list of deceitful business tactics. LLL will continue to raise prices and lower standards until the company goes out of business.

Anonymous said...

Is anyone else finding higher prices at their local stores? Mine now has WUC's marked up $6.00 higher than regular prices. Another price increase or just my local store price gouging?

Anonymous said...

@ LLA 10:00 PM, agreed, interesting point that that is how LLL describes all SS on the website. They really should not be lumping all shorts together. This is similar to when they say all shorts are 4 way stretch, but we all know that sometimes the shorts are stiffer and 2 way stretch. I know that is an important point to customers and will make or break whether or not they buy the shorts. Not everyone can visit the store to see the shorts in person, so Lulu should really be more meticulous about the key features. I know, I know, it's too much to ask?! It shouldn't be since on-line shopping is huge!

Anonymous said...

@ 7:06 PM - they still do make certain items in Canada. I have had 3 CRB's in the recent past that are made in Canada (a white one and 2 wee/microstripes). I have to say I was happy to see that! I then wanted a plain black CRB and hesitated on buying it (it had a made in Canada tag). Then when I went back to a couple of stores they were all made in Cambodia. Maybe sounds silly, I know, but since black is so basic I'll wait. I'm waiting for a made in Canada one to show up again.

Anonymous said...

I have some things from when I first discovered Lulu about 6 years ago.
They weren't even in the U.S. yet (I don't think they were, anyway), I found the store on a business trip to Toronto. Anyway, I still wear my Groove pants to this day. The Luon was thicker and softer. I compared the seams to other pants I've bought more recently (another pair of Grooves, Astros, WU/WUC), and the stitching is so much nicer and tighter on my "vintage" Lulu. In addition, my oldest CRB tanks have much tighter, nicer flatlocked stitching along the hem, not the loose double row stitch that they have now. My oldest Speed shorts have nice details like mesh panels in the leg and a mesh liner...quality has absolutely declined. I do understand growing pains and that it's tougher to have strict QC when you produce overseas, but the recent mess of product seems like such a departure from what I believe the company was originally built to be. I will happily pay for quality, but I think that raising your prices while struggling to maintain just basic quality is a very customer- alienating strategy. On the other hand, if Lulu insisted on the "2006 quality" but explained to the consumer the rising cost of maintaining that high quality we know and love, that would be different. It is very disappointing.

Anonymous said...

Now that somebody brought this up...yes, I also noticed a unpleasant smell coming off from a gather and crow denim in coal fossil that I've just got. Hopeful it will disappear after several wash.

And I got 1 magnum WUC and a groove WUC also produced in Canada. The magnum quality really sucks but the groove one so far so good. The problem lies not with the country of produced but I have to agree that LLL lack QC and cost cutting...no doubt with intent of maximizing profit at the expense of their customers.

Anonymous said...

I am drooling over that short collection. Amazing.
I haven't bought speed shorts in a long time. I have black ones and grey ones, and they are really comfortable and are holding up. but they are from 2 years ago. I will be going to my local store this afternoon to see what is new there.

Anonymous said...

I first discovered Lululemon in 2004. I think they only had grooves, scubas, and the power y at that time, but I could be wrong. It was only recently that I had to retire those items. They lasted 7-8 years, and the only reason I retired them was the power y didn't have removable cups (I got tired of doubling up), the grooves had finally stretched out too much, and the scuba was white- it had become dingy. My point is that lululemon items I buy now look like these 2004 items within months rather than 7 years.

Anonymous said...

Gosh darn it! Why wont Lululemon listen to their very loyal following. Dont change a good thing if its working and people are HAPPY!

I love seeing collections! it would be fun to see a post where people email pics of what they've got! is there an email where we can send you photos?

LuluAddict said...

Sure - my email is lululemonaddict@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

I just saw the new Tender Violet shorts in store today and they definitely had a different, scratchier feel in the liners. The pretty pink ones have a softer liner that is pink also. All my SS (I have 5) and 1 turbo have the softer liner.
The fabric might be really uncomfortable when damp with sweat, and also, the outer material is a stiffer material. Not quite as stiff as 2-way, but definitely not 4-way like Pretty Pink was.